I had a female het for Leucistic in a holding cage last Dec. She (Lil Dipper) was 6 months and there was another male 6 months and a male 4.5 months old. The 4.5 month old was a het for Leucistic and a white faced blonde male. The 6 months old male was a white faced blonde (Bailey), no Leucistic gene. One evening in Mid Dec. I went into the glider room and the little Boy 4.5 month old was breeding with the het girl. I had to go and eat dinner really quick so I just left them there. I knew the older male would be on her soon and I didn't want them fighting. It was early in the evening about 7:oo pm. I ate dinner real quick and came and pulled Bailey (blonde male, no het gene) out of the cage and put him in another cage for the night. He was already on her and there was some fussing going on between males. I wrote down the date and Jan 3 put Sunny(Leucistic het male White Faced Blonde) in with Jolene. About three weeks later, Jolene shows up pregnant. Sunny bred with her on Jan 6. On Feb 29, Lil Dipper has a Leucistic Baby Girl. On April 25, Bailey tried to breed with Lil Dipper again and I removed him successfully for the evening. On May 24 she was suppose to be in heat again and I was going to be out of town. I didn't not want them to breed because Bailey did not have the Leucistic gene. There was another female in the cage named Sterling and she was expecting her first joeys and I didn't want to remove Bailey so Sterling would not be stressed over losing Bailey. I asked my babysitter to remove Bailey from the cage and check for them breeding that week. Well I told her the wrong nights and she never really looked into the bag. I returned on the 29th of May and on Wed. June 9 discovered that she had joeys in the pouch. I projected her due date to be Aug. 12 which is this week. There are two joeys in pouch. I have heard that they can hold a baby for 6 months before delivering, but is it likely that she would have a joey inbetween that time, plus go into heat? I am just wondering if these babies in any way could be Sunny's even though he was removed on Dec. 13 from the cage and even though she had another joey in Feb. From the size of these babies, it looks like they will come out this week and that she did indeed get pregnant on May 24 or 25th. Can anyone that knows or experienced this get back to me please?

I think I'm gonna have to read that three more times before I get it all digested, lol. Congrats? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I'm not sure what to tell ya!

Well I am wanting to know if anyone has ever had a joey that was in a period of Stasis for 6 months before being born. I have heard of it, but wanted to know if it is possible to actually have one joey and then another 6 months later.

Hum...well it seems like I read somewhere (probably here) that they can store fertilized eggs and release them later. But gosh I read so much half the time I can't remember when or if I really read it!!! Menopause is the pits!!! But...I am curious now!!!! LOL
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i have read that too steph but never read a time period

If I did I can't remember but the info has to be somewhere. I bet Judie would be the one who knows!!

Good luck Sheila!!

I have heard that is has been as long as 6 months. This is with a male that was neutered and 6 months later it shows up. It would seem impossible that she would go in heat again and have another baby inbetween, doesn't it? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />

i read an article about this somewhereon marsupials being able to do this,for the life of me i can't remember where i read it either or how long they can keep stasis....
i know i have also heard that there have been a few cases of it where nuetered males were fathers again 3-4 months after the nueter......
Cynthia

Sheila, I am no Expert! I do know that One of my gliders has 2 babies and they look to be very different in size! She is a very small mom, so I am thinking that she had one and it never came OOP until the other one did. I am sure it could just be a size difference, but there is a big difference and it is the Girl that is so much larger. As for time frames I am sorry but I too do not know the answer.
Is it possible that Baily, with no Leus. Gene, had been the father of the Leustic glider? That would about throw out every thought we have all had on genetics but I was just wondering.. You know how unpredictable that Mother Nature is! LOL Congrates on the new babies and I can't wait to hear more about them and their colors... Good luck and I hope someone can come along soon and answer your ??'s.. Destiny - Missy

In kangaroos, it's possible for this to happen, according to Animal Planet. I know that they arent' related but being both marsupials it makes sense that it could also true in suggies.

Samantha

You are the only one that has caught on. The new babies are one Leucistic, one het. They will be coming out this week. I am even suspicious that Bailey could also be the Father of Larissa too. Even though Sunny was 4.5 months, he did sucessfully breed with Jolene three weeks later at 5.1 months. Bailey had her for ten min max. The only way to be 100% sure it to let Bailey breed with Larissa and Lil Dipper again which is a risk if Larissa is the daughter. This is such a nice little group that has babies sucessfully and I really didn't want to take Larissa out.

Anyway, the proud owner of this Baby is Babysdevil because I promised her the next female white and she has been waiting a long time. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/multi.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/muchlove.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dance.gif" alt="" />

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I have heard the same thing. Katy had twins 2 months after neutering Sundown, and I wondered if this happened since she wasn't seperated from him. I sure hoped the neutering worked, lol, as Sundown will reject all male joeys he has. I hand fed thier last 3 and I didn't want them to have anymore. Babysdevil is so lucky, I really want a Leuccistic someday. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />
Angie

If it was only two months, he may have already gotten her. It takes about 11 weeks plus three to five days after they breed.

Yayyyyyy!!
I'm sorry Sheila.. I don't know the answers either.

1-- if babies can be held in stasis for over 6 months, maybe Sunny IS the daddy.

2-- if not... then Bailey would have to be the dad.. which means, either he carries the L gene.. somehow... OR

3-- To get a L.. perhaps both parents actually do NOT need to carry the gene! Maybe just one carrier.

I'm afraid the only REAL way to know... would be to have blood tests done... but that would be a pain.

All I know is.. Wooooo-hooooo! I'm soo excited to get these girls! Little sweeties!

Even though they are not mine, I am so excitted. I'm going to be able to hold and see a leucistic in person <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/multi.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/multi.gif" alt="" /> ... All I can say is Bec you better be locking your doors <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evil.gif" alt="" /> j/k Congrats Sheila! they are both adorable (Becs already showed me the pics <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> )

The pictures I showed Rebecca were before they were out. They should be out sometimes this week!

Hum... I've done a little research on embryonic dispause and I haven't found much in regards to gliders, but I did find information about kangaroos and koalas. There have been cases where koalas in zoos have held embryos for almost a year. Maybe it's a marsupial thing... None the less, congratulations <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Sheila, I recommend pairing both of those males of yours with leucistics or hets. On the off chance that the other male is a carrier, it would be well worth your time to get that other blood line in there.

I know turtles can hold eggs in them for a number of years. But I really have no clue with gliders. I would do what AwesomeP said. The only other way I can think of is DNA testing, but I am sure that is not fun for the glider and very pricey for you

I am going to leave him in there and breed back to the quad which will be Larissa who is suppose to be Sunny's baby. She is white so if he is the carrier, I should know within the year. She is 6 months and should breed soon. My vet is President of the Aviatory Society of US and he is going to a convention next week. He is going to ask Kathryn Delaney Johnson because she has a research lab with gliders.

My GOODness, Sheila, I've read this post a dozen times over, and I still don't know what to think. lol. I think that BabyDevilsAngel has the choices right, it's gotta be one of them. lol. I just have no clue which.

BabyDevilsAngel, I won't even go IN to how lucky lucky lucky YOU are. lol. I am excited for you too...

Sheila, who are Bailey's parents? Wouldn't it be something if somehow, he DOES have the Leucistic gene? Is there any way at ALL, that it could have mutated in him and even though his parentage might not be on the BEW gene, he still is a carrier. Man, I just...don't...know. lol.

I am however SO thrilled that you have another little white angel on the way. You have worked so hard and had some great success with your Leucistic breeding program. Good Job Girl!!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" /> Keep us posted on what you learn, and I can't wait to see pictures of these little ones as they grow. Luv <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" /> Ames!

You do need both gene's to produce the white. There has been some speculation that one of the new joeys is one dad and one the other. I am going to have to get out Bailey's baby pictures. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> The parents of Bailey are Frodo and NOel. Hailey on the other hand is a Possible Het for Leucistic so there is a 50% chance that these babies will carry the leucistic gene. The only way to know for sure is to do a DNA or breed Bailey to Larissa. Only time will tell but for right now, we will enjoy them. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />

Oh my Goodness, How Exciting, so it's possible that Noel or Frodo one might very well have the Leucistic gene?? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" /> Now that is something to think about, for sure. hehee. You are so lucky, My Girl, to have so many beautiful little angels to kiss on and adore every single day.

And Cyndie, you're not the ONLY one who sits and gets lost in the meet the family section. hehehe. I am right there with ya, Hun.

Luv <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" /> Ames!

To our surprise this little girl is not a Leucistic but something very interesting. She is all white with a little gray tip on her tail. She is not quite ready to be all out of pouch but will soon.

she still sounds so cute <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

You can see pictures here Haley and Honey

man I can't wait till she has some hair so we can see what you made for us Sheila

Oh My Goodness...how fascinating. This story just keeps on getting more and more interesting. She's adorable Sheila, and I can not WAIT to see what she looks like in a few weeks. Huge Congrats to you, Lady. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" /> LuvAmes...

What an adorable baby. I just love the tip of her tail. It is so precious. I can't wait to see photos of her when she has her fur. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Congrats Sheila!!!!

Ahhhh... so I finally have a good understanding of the situation after many confused emails and rereading that post and looking at Sheila's site....

How crazy would that be if by chance that Bailey was the carrier of the leu gene after all! It's looking like there's a good chance with that almost leu baby he had with Lil'Dipper! And what that might mean for Frodo and Noel and their other offspring if it was true. That could open up a whole new lineage of leucistics!

The fact that this little one has a gray tip on her tail.. proves that Bailey is most likely the father... it also proves that he is probably not a carrier of the Leucistic gene.. and it also proves that this little one is not 100% leucistic herself. In fact... with her lineage... she's really only a possible het for leucistic! I'd venture to say since she is sporting soooo much white.. that she probably DOES carry the gene.. but maybe not. Who knows! Either way.. she is just adorable... and it'll be SOO cute to see an all white glider with a gray tip!! Awwww!!! How Unique!

A glider can carry a leucistic gene and produce a white variation other than a totally white glider right? So why wouldn't Bailey be a carrier? I thought a leucistic het and just a normal glider could not produce white at all... so he has to have the gene in him, diluted or not, right?

Bailey...WF Blonde. Sunny...WF Blonde/Lucestic het. Not sure at this point who the father is. If a WF Blonde either one of the males could be the father. If Leucistic...the mother is a het for Leucistic and thus Sunny who is also a carrier of the leucistic gene only he would be the father if the baby was white.

Now...since this baby has coloration on the ears and tip of tail...my guess is..... this tiny one is a wf blonde. A very light one. From the photos it does not look like much hair is visible and my guess is the babies may be another week or so from coming oop. leaving another week for coloration to appear.

It may be a platinum as well... We have yet to figure out exactly were the platinum gene comes from, just that it's strongly associated with calicos... Maybe the white faced gene is actually a derivative of the true platinum gene. If this female got a leucistic gene and a platinum gene and the leucistic gene was recesive... Just a thought...

You beat me to it AwesomePossums, I was thinking exactly the same thing! The only glider I have seen that look mostly white with a touch of grey is a platnium!

Lol, there are also white mosaics that look like platinums as well. There are two different genes that can cause that coloring... The platinum gene and the co-dominant leucistic gene. In all actuality, we shouldn't really encourage the co-dominant leucistic gene. It's a mutation, not a variation... Mutations mean that there's damage to the genetic make up of an animal. It may be expressing itself as a "color variation" (color mutation) now, but it may be a sign of other potential differences, which could include health problems and shouldn't be encouraged.

OT ~ would an albino be considered a mutation or variation?

Albinos are mutations...

Platinums have a faint or broken stripe down their backs and this glider may possibly develop a stripe. The ears are faintly gray, but I don't know if it is due to the veins because my Saleen has that too. When the fur is all in, I will be able to see how much other color there is. The baby is totally oop today. Here is a picture of Sammie's ear. It looks translucent gray.

Here is Larissa's ear, translucent gray too. This is what I am seeing on the baby so I don't think we will have anything on the tail except a little gray tip. As a matter of fact it is white, then gray then white. So I guess it has the white tipped tail <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />, and Bailey's mother carries that gene. Larissa's ear

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In all actuality, we shouldn't really encourage the co-dominant leucistic gene. It's a mutation, not a variation... Mutations mean that there's damage to the genetic make up of an animal. It may be expressing itself as a "color variation" (color mutation) now, but it may be a sign of other potential differences, which could include health problems and shouldn't be encouraged.

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> I'm a bit confused? Albinism is a genetic defect, but also a mutation I thought? I thought all color variations are caused by gene mutations? And I thought that leucistic was purely a recessive trait? If it were dominant then you wouldn't need to have two parents posessing the gene for the leucistic gene to be expressed?

I wasn't talking about albinos in that post. I was talking about the white mosaics (co-dominant leucistics). Albinism is caused by a damaged or missing color gene. It is a mutation. Leucistic is a naturally occurring variation, not a mutation. Color variations are caused by natural variations in genes, there isn't any damage to the gene with leucistics, it's just altered. The co-dominant leucistics (white mosaics) have a damaged gene that allows both the leucistic and the dominant gene to be expressed at the same time (co-dominance). It is caused by a damaged gene and is a mutation.

Since I am not too good with genes here, I am going to ask a question. Okay, so a damaged color gene creates a color variation, but what does a color gene have to do with its health?

Blindness can result from an animal having the albino gene condition, as well as extreme sensitivity to sunlight (therefore increased risk of skin cancer.)

Okay, I know that Albino's do have health problems, but I never heard about it in colors like the mosaics and such. Since leucistics don't have problems because of their colors, and normals dont have problems because of their problems, they why would mosaics, being a mix of white and gray colors with black eyes, have health problems?

I don't know what genes create a mosaic, but if the albino gene is one of them, that can cause health problems. If the albino gene is carried but not dominant, the eyes shouldn't be red.

It looks like the baby may be a platinum. On the head a line is starting to shadow. I took some pictures earlier and they are still in my camera, but I don't think they were any good. It was too close to night time and they were all getting up. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tantrum.gif" alt="" />

Ohhh boy! What fun this is for you I bet! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cloud9.gif" alt="" />

I would be so anxious for this little one to grow and grow! Thanks for sharing all of this so far! At least I was wrong about her being a BEW... LOL <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Are you going to keep her if she is a platinum? How exciting! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/multi.gif" alt="" /> A platinum baby! I can't wait to see pictures!!!

Congratulations! So, now where is the picture showing the partial stripe? Want to see! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/multi.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/multi.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/multi.gif" alt="" />

Want to see too.. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/multi.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/multi.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/multi.gif" alt="" />

Jess, leucistics should be all white. White mosaics are most likely caused by some type of damage to their color gene caused by inbreeding of the leucistic line. Because there is damage to the color gene, it's very probable that there is damage to other genes as well. They haven't been around long enough for us to know all of the health problems associated with the mutation, but, if I'm not mistaken, many of them are sterile.

New pics taken yesterday.

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One more

Proud Mama <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Ohhhhhhhhhh! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> She is so cute and mysterious! I love her pink little body with her faint stripe and gray tint to her tail and ears!

Thanks for sharing! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" /> I can't wait to see her grow.

Is it possible for her to turn out like those "Creamino" girls produced by Flying Fur Ranch?

I defiantly think she's a platinum Sheila. I need to get a better paying job so I can buy some gliders from you <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/littleglider.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />

Another <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yelclap.gif" alt="" />

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frostyangel.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/gliderangel.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />

Shiela, so beautiful! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />

Oh my goodness... She is just soooooo adorable. Sheila, I just LOVE her!

She is absolutely gorgeous!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/muchlove.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/muchlove.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/muchlove.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/muchlove.gif" alt="" /> Please keep us posted with new pictures. I can never get enough of them.

Thanks for sharing,
Dorothy <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dance.gif" alt="" />, Bandit <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/littleglider.gif" alt="" />, and Gypsy <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/littleglider.gif" alt="" />

ohhh so cute <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />

Okay, is it just me or does that girl have a slight golden hue? I am very curious to see what she's gonna look like in a week or two...

She does look like she has blonde highlights. I want to see updated pics in a few days! :-)

YOu will get more pictures. The Blonde is the Leucistic trait. Technically, Leucistic is more yellowy than white. The albino is the pure white. I don't know what makes the Leucistic yellow. I did breed two Leucistics together and he is more pure white like the albino.

Hum... Thank you for explaining. I knew leucistics had faint yellowish stripes, but I didn't realize that the yellowing was all over...

I have never seen a faint yellow stripe on a leucistic and I have three of them.

I commented on it before with Sheila's little girl Larissa...

What flying fur ranch has are albinos, that maintain yellowish features. There are snakes that are albinos that also exhibit this trait. Shelia's joey is in no way an albino. The fact that there is a WFblonde father, makes this joey a 100% het for leucistic (because it is showing part of the variation) and a 100% het for WFB blonde. The blonde gene may be co-dominate with the leucistic, if that were the case both colors would show through as is with this joey.

However the variation was not shown in both joeys and this suggests that the leucistic gene did not pair up with the co-dominate gene in the second glider. I would not classify the color until the variation can be completely observed with a fully grown in coat. This could show what it takes to get a platinum. WFB + Leucistic het = Platinum, if this turns out to be a platinum. Further breedings will need to be done with the male to determine if only blonde is needed to produce this variation, that is assuming that the blonde is the contributing factor that produced this variation. Priscilla Price has produced a lot of these variations and talking with her about you joey would be a good idea. She may have seen this variation before and knowing how she produced it might help determine how you produced it.

Ushuaia

Awesome, the Leucistic has no stripe at all but a yellowish tinge all over.

OMG OMG OMG I have missed so much with out my power. That pic's were well worth the wait. I may need to go see Sheila soon. I just might have to steal that little one. DREAMING!!!! I got my bank from Peggy so now I have the box that dreams are made of to help me get my own BEW. Sheila you are so lucky!!!!

New Pictures up, but too many to post here.
Pretty girls

She is so beautiful and so interesting! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cloud9.gif" alt="" />

Thank you for all the picture updates! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" />

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They are so pretty!

Sheila I heard that baby say she wanted to come to my house for a visit. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/agree.gif" alt="" />Yep heard it all the way over here in Fl. SO when ever you are ready just say the words and I'll pick her up. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evil.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cloud9.gif" alt="" /> She is a very special little girl. Keep up the good work. i know it can be hard but you seem to get blessed for it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yelclap.gif" alt="" />

No Cynthia, she didn't say that. Right now she loves her sister. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I have been so busy, but will have pictures soon to show you how much she has grown. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yelclap.gif" alt="" />

I can't wait <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" /> Can I kidnap her?

Just a little night cap and something to remember in your dreams. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

[:"blue"] Oh Sheila! She is beautiful! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/muchlove.gif" alt="" /> What a gorgeous and stunning little girl! I bet you're so thrilled to have her!

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cloud9.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cloud9.gif" alt="" /> I'll be sleeping on the clouds tonight remembering that photo! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cloud9.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cloud9.gif" alt="" />

Thanks for sharing your unique baby! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" />[/]

OH MY WORD!!! Talk about picture PURFECT!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cloud9.gif" alt="" />

Ok Ok Sheila you twisted my arm....yeeesss I'll take her off your hands!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" />

She may be the prettiest little thing I have ever set eyes on <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/muchlove.gif" alt="" />! Thanks for sharing all of these pictures of her <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cloud9.gif" alt="" />

Any Updates on this lil angel? Shorty <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/multi.gif" alt="" />

Also what Color has she been clarrified as? Platnium or White Mosaic? Thanks Shorty <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/multi.gif" alt="" />

Platinum - she is very similar in looks to Shadow, Mike Sandridges platinum.

You are keeping that total doll baby aren't you? I sure hope so I don't want to have to do in any competition <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evil.gif" alt="" /> to be next in line! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/muchlove.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/muchlove.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/muchlove.gif" alt="" />

Yep, I had her out tonight and she was all about crabbing at my hubby. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" />

I was showing her to mine. He has to sit thru all your pic's awe poor man. lol And your hubby what did he think of all that noise in that little pkg!? Haha bet she was full of herself. She is BEAUTIFUL and knows it!

Haha I was showing the pictures of her to one of my ex boyfriends! He doesn't know anything about gliders, so he was just kind of like, "Uhhhh...". I just kept saying, "She's the most beautiful glider EVER (except for mine)." Our significant others sure are good to deal with us kooky glider lovers <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" />.

I think she is too.

Sheila, she is absolutely beautiful! I love her coloring. What a doll! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Sheila you know it is a good thing you are half way across the US from me! I would be camped out on you door step trying to get to see all your beautiful babies.....and that one would go missing on one such visit!

Haley is growing so fast. I took some pictures of her this week and she is losing her "Little baby look"

Here is another. She is as pretty as ever.

omg!! that color is beautiful! Its almost like a slate blue. Hopefully she will have lots of pretty babies just like herself <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/muchlove.gif" alt="" /> GORGEOUS!!! You must be such a proud mom!

She is beautiful!

She is an Amazingly Beautiful glider!!!

Thanks for sharing your pics with us. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumb.gif" alt="" />

I am speechless. Your glider is absolutely beautiful! I will bet that she has the personality to match her outer beauty, too. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/muchlove.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/muchlove.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/muchlove.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/muchlove.gif" alt="" />

Please keep us updated with photos,
Dorothy <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dance.gif" alt="" />, Bandit <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/littleglider.gif" alt="" />, and Gypsy <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/littleglider.gif" alt="" />

Sheila.. time goes by too quickly! Yes.. she is simply gorgeous.. and isn't looking like a baby too much anymore. I still think she should be paired up with my little guy.. lol. Well.. She is just adorable. =) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />

I must say that she has really filled in with grey. She is very nice and I hope that this is the begining of a new line of these colored gliders because they are truly beautiful. She appears to be a platinum, I have not seen her in person so I cannot say what she is. If she is this is good news considering the only other platinum I know of outside of your breeding program, is not producing. Please keep us updated with lots and lots of pictures.

Ushuaia

I'm not looking for trouble, but I have to make a few corrections to some of the information provided in this thread. It is important that everyone has the correct information.
1) There is no 25% het for anything. When a 100% heterozygous animal is bred to an animal that is exhibiting the trait that the heterozygous animal carries the recessive gene for (i.e.-100% het to leucisitic), 50% of what you will produce, on average, will be 100% or what is otherwise known as "guarenteed" hets. They will look like normal aka 'homozygous' animals, but they will be heterozygous for leucistic. The other 50% will exhibit the recessive leucistic trait, as if it is 'dominant' and not recessive.
When a 100% or guarenteed het is bred to another guarenteed het, 25% of what you will produce, on average, will be animals exhibiting the trait, and the other 75% will be normal or 'homozygous' in appearance but would be what is considered 66% possible hets. This is due to the fact that, on average, of the three out of the four that don't exhibit the recessive trait only two of them are hets and the other is a normal that does not exhibit, nor carry the gene. Two out of three is 66%. With most recessive traits, there is no way to tell which ones are and which ones aren't hets, until they are bred, hence the term "possible het".
When a guarenteed het is bred to a normal animal you will produce babies that are all normal in appearance, none exhibiting the recessive trait, and on average, 50% of them will be heterozygous and 50% of them will not. These are what, and should be, reffered to as 50% possible hets.
2) Leucisticism is a recessive trait. To my knowledge, there has yet to be a leucistic animal produced by normal looking animals that didn't prove to be carriers of the gene, or what is known as hets.
3) A co-dominant trait is not referred to as such because two traits are exhibited in the same animal. A trait is co-dominant when it is just as dominant genetically as the animals normal or homozygous phase. When an animal with a co-dominant trait is bred to a normal animal, 50% of the babies that you produce, on average, will exhibit the trait, as if it is dominant, which it is in a (co)operative sort of way, and 50% will be normal. Co-dominance is in reference to it being as dominant, not recessive, as the animals natural phase. There are no hets with co-dominant traits. Hets carry recessive traits. If an animal exhibits a co-dominant trait, it is capable of producing more like it. If it doesn't, it is not.
4) Variations are just, by definition, characteristic diversions from the norm. AKA variety
5) Leucisitics and albinos are both exhibiting a genetic 'mutation'. They are both exhibiting a recessive 'trait' that is a result of a not-so natural, but naturally occuring physical change in chromosome relations. They are not "damaged". They are just different.
6) Leucistics are solid white with black eyes. The yellow tint is from urine. It's very hard to keep them, or anything with solid white fur and a tendency to urinate everywhere, looking totally clean. I don't beleive that sugar gliders have any yellow or red (with the exception of their eyes) pigment. If they did, the albinos would have yellow and red on them as opposed to being solid white, because albinos are deficient or completely absent of melanin only, which is dark pigment.
7) An animal does not go blind because it is an albino. It may go blind as a result of being an albino and being exposed to light that is too bright. This is due to the fact that it is lacking the dark pigment that 'normally' helps protect it's eyes. I've heard of normals losing their sight to the sun.
That's enough for now.

I am still confused about the co-dominate issue. Why is this baby exhibiting both colors? Also, my albino is all white and not stained and my Leucistic out of two Leucistic parents is also pure white, unlike the yellowing parents. Wouldn't they stain a baby to mark him? He is now 12 weeks old and is as white as snow.

Sheila,

I think what I have gotten from his response is...what you have produced is a diluted version of a WF Blonde. But maybe I misread what he wrote?

I think she is simply stunning whatever color she is! Beautiful!

Here she is now a big girl.

Oh she is such a pretty little girl

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> My goodness Sheila! She is GORGEOUS! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/muchlove.gif" alt="" /> I have never seen anything like her. She has the face of a WFB but a body of one unique little girl! She is so pretty and truly a very special girl!

I don't know what she is, but she is awesome. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

She is stunning. I will bet that her personality matches if not exceeds her outer beauty. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/muchlove.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/muchlove.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/muchlove.gif" alt="" />

Thanks for sharing,
Dorothy <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dance.gif" alt="" />, Bandit <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/littleglider.gif" alt="" />, and Gypsy <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/littleglider.gif" alt="" />

Now SHES a KEEPER!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/muchlove.gif" alt="" />

I thought it was platimun??

She is a Platinum from my Leucistic Line. She is rare. She is very sweet too.